Compressing CO2 - Can Air Compressor Work? (2024)

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In summary: Remember that you'll be designing a machine that will be used in very harsh environments, so you'll want to make sure the pump is rugged enough to handle the abuse.In summary, a standard air compressor would not be able to compress CO2 to the necessary levels to operate a LCO2 laundering system. CO2 needs to be compressed to a certain pressure/temperature in order to turn it into a liquid, and a standard air compressor is not able to do this. The design of the machine requires a computerized fluids properties database and an engineering team to help with the details.

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Hi,

I am doing a design project designing a LCO2 laundering system to operate on the moon. I was looking to get some insight into how you compress CO2. Can a standard air compressor with a storage vessel that can contain sufficient pressure work to compress CO2?

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Remember that CO2 won't turn into a liquid until a certain pressure/temperature is reached, so make sure your system will work with CO2.

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Correct, that is part of the design. We allow the CO2 to move in the system as a gas, then compress it enough to have a half full, horizontal axis washing machine.

The system is being designed for the moon so the equivalent system mass (ESM) has to be as low as possible. Meaning that the energy use, overall mass, volume, weight, crew member time, etc have to be minimized. So by design the CO2 would be moved by a pressure differential.

The only problem that i am having is that I don't believe a standard air compressor will work. I need to reach right around 1000 psi. I know that there are scuba diving compressors that easily can compress air to 5000 psi, but I am not sure whether or not I can use the same compressor for CO2.

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I design recip compression equipment that works in the range between liquid and gas. The fluid properties can vary significantly depending on whether or not the fluid is liquid, gas or supercritical, the main properties you will be concerned with are compressibility which goes into determining the volumetric displacement of each stage of compression. To design such a machine you need to have a good computerized fluids properties database that you can link to a program for determining flows and pressures. NIST has a program I would recommend called REFPROP. You can purchase it online here:
http://www.nist.gov/srd/nist23.cfm

Once you're familiar with how to use it, you'll want to create programs that calculate flow rates and pressures, power usage, valve pressure drops and valve dynamics, etc... That way you can change cylinder diameters, strokes, RPM, compression ratio, interstage cooler capacity, etc... which will give you a rough idea of what you need to do to make the machine feasible. It won't however, give you any information about materials, seal design, valve design, etc... that is critical to making a machine reliable and able to perform as well as those theromodynamic models indicate.

A better way to get the design created and a pump manufactured is to create an engineering specification for what you need and send it out for quote to a handful of manufacturers that specialize in that kind of equipment. You can do the feasibility study on your own, determining what pressures and flows you want and how large the machine might be. But once you get into the details, you'll need to find an engineering team with some experience designing the pump/compressor.

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for reaching out. This is a great question and one that has been explored by scientists and engineers for many years. The short answer is yes, a standard air compressor can technically be used to compress CO2. However, there are some important considerations to keep in mind when using an air compressor for this purpose.

Firstly, CO2 is a gas at standard temperature and pressure (STP), meaning it is in its gaseous state at room temperature and atmospheric pressure. In order to compress it, you will need to increase the pressure and/or decrease the temperature. This can be achieved by using an air compressor, but it may not be the most efficient method.

One of the main challenges with compressing CO2 is that it is a highly dense gas, meaning it takes up less space than other gases at the same pressure and temperature. This can make it difficult to compress using a standard air compressor, which is designed for less dense gases like air. Additionally, CO2 has a low boiling point, which means it can change from a gas to a liquid at relatively low pressures and temperatures. This can pose safety concerns when using an air compressor, as the liquid CO2 can cause damage to the compressor and potentially lead to leaks or explosions.

Another important consideration is the storage vessel. CO2 expands significantly when compressed, so you will need a storage vessel that can contain the increased pressure. It is important to ensure that the vessel is designed and rated for the specific pressure and temperature of the compressed CO2.

In summary, while a standard air compressor can technically be used to compress CO2, it may not be the most efficient or practical method. I would recommend consulting with a specialized engineer or scientist who has experience in handling and compressing CO2 for your specific project needs. They can provide more detailed insights and recommendations for your LCO2 laundering system. Best of luck with your project!

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What is the purpose of compressing CO2?

The purpose of compressing CO2 is to increase its density and reduce its volume. This allows for easier storage and transportation of the gas.

Can any air compressor be used to compress CO2?

No, not all air compressors are suitable for compressing CO2. CO2 is a denser gas than air and requires a compressor specifically designed for high pressure and low-temperature gases.

What are the potential benefits of using an air compressor to compress CO2?

Using an air compressor to compress CO2 can have several benefits, including reduced storage space, easier transportation, and increased efficiency in industrial processes that use CO2.

Are there any safety concerns when compressing CO2 using an air compressor?

Yes, there are some safety concerns when compressing CO2 using an air compressor. CO2 is a pressurized gas and can be hazardous if not handled properly. It is important to follow safety guidelines and use equipment specifically designed for compressing CO2.

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Compressed CO2 has many applications, including carbonation in food and beverages, fire extinguishers, and as a refrigerant in cooling systems. It is also used in various industrial processes such as enhanced oil recovery and wastewater treatment.

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                      Compressing CO2 - Can Air Compressor Work? (2024)

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                      Can you compress CO2 with an air compressor? ›

                      Did you know that air compressors are used to compress different types of gases? That's right! Reciprocating (piston) and screw compressors are utilized in gas compression, including CO2 compression.

                      Can you refill a CO2 tank with an air compressor? ›

                      If you are someone who needs a CO2 tank, you know how uncomfortable it is to take it out to complete it. Although this is often overlooked, one of the most helpful things an air compressor can do for you is fill your CO2 tanks.

                      Can compressed air be used instead of CO2? ›

                      No, it's not. However, carbon dioxide can be compressed like regular air, and although both are gasses, the majority of their similarities end there. Many differences exist between compressed air and compressed CO2, so let's explore what sets them apart.

                      Is CO2 easy to compress? ›

                      Technically, we consider CO2 easier to compress compared to air, which means it produces less heat and, in this way, asks less of the equipment used for compression. However, this compression process also poses challenges. One of them is the moisture that is being created.

                      How much power is required to compress CO2? ›

                      Compression of CO2 is expected to consume 90- 120 kWhe/tCO2 of electrical power [4], making the contribution 30 to 50% of the total.

                      Can you compress CO2 out of air? ›

                      Carbon dioxide can be removed from the atmosphere as air passes through a big air filter and then stored deep underground. This technology already exists and is being used on a small scale.

                      What happens if CO2 is compressed? ›

                      Because CO2 is a heavier molecule, it can generate higher levels of vibrations and, if it is compressed too much (i.e. at high pressure), it can liquefy, which could result in damage to the compressor. Carbon dioxide has a density of 1,5 at 0 ° C, compared to air.

                      What is better, compressed air or CO2? ›

                      Carbon dioxide, however, is a harmful greenhouse gas, and its release into the atmosphere should be avoided if possible. Furthermore, while the air that is being compressed is safe to breathe, an accumulation of carbon dioxide in an enclosed space is a health hazard for anybody in the vicinity.

                      Can paintball guns use both CO2 and compressed air? ›

                      Paintball Tank Types

                      Most modern electronic or mechanical markers run on compressed air; cheaper or older-style mechanical markers can often run on either Co2 or compressed air*. Pistols normally run on pre-filled disposable co2 cartridges.

                      What is the hardest thing to compress? ›

                      Answer: Material which are difficult to compress are called hard, e.g. diamond, stone, wood, steel, etc. Diamond is the hardest natural substance. Soft: Materials which can be compressed easily are called soft, e.g. chalk, cotton, rubber, etc.

                      Is compressed CO2 explosive? ›

                      Carbon dioxide is classified as neither flammable nor toxic, although it may cause intoxication at elevated concentrations. Asphyxiation is generally considered the major hazard of CO2. However, a severe hazard associated with pressurized CO2 is the Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapour Explosion (BLEVE).

                      What temperature is compressed CO2? ›

                      Dry ice is the common trade name for solid CO2 . At atmospheric pressure it has a temperature of approx. -79 °C (-110,2 °F).

                      Can a CO2 tank take compressed air? ›

                      Can you fill a paintball CO2 tank with an air compressor? An air compressor is totally different than a bulk CO2 tank with a valve that fills the tank with the gas. Never use a hand or tire pump because they only can fill up to 150 psi which is much lower than what a paintball tank requires.

                      How do you compress CO2 to liquid? ›

                      High pressure liquid CO2 is produced by compressing the gaseous CO2 in multistage compressors to pressures in the neighbourhood of 69 bar (1000,76 psi) pressure, then cooling it to around 18 °C (64,4 °F). It is customarily filled into specially constructed steel cylinders.

                      What should you not do with an air compressor? ›

                      - Never apply compressed air to your skin or directly at another person. Even air pressure as low as 15 PSI can cause serious injury. - Do not use air directly from a compressor for breathing purposes unless the system has been designed specifically for breathing air.

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